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Adding scans of sample title3 pages of the periodicals is a good idea. I do not have access to the MFQ, and do not have any scans of first pages, so you are on your own with that for now.
 
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I noticed one thing about the periodical article you just added this morning [[廣長舌]]: As in keeping with the general style of other types of pages, under "References," I have been listing the page of the index by Huang, et al. (a secondary reference work) that gives general information on the periodical (see, for example, [[世界佛教居士林林刊]]), but I see that you are using that space to say which volume of the MFQ that periodical appears in. Might I suggest that we either a) add another section for this information, or b) put that information in the general information section under the dates, etc.
 
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 22:57, 2 June 2009 (CST)
 
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It seems that the search engine problem has been cleared up, at least with the few test searches I ran an hour ago. Changes as recent as last night showed up.
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I have several questions about the choice of page titles.
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The front page you've made looks good. I just made one minor edit on my name.
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1) What are your thoughts on romanizations for non-Chinese persons in their file names? E.g. Cressy, Reichelt, Richard. Should we use their English names followed by the 漢字 as the page titles? Also, what about institutions?
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 04:06, 31 May 2009 (CST)
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2) For some pages (such as [[妙善]]), there are multiple entries, which I have separated into sub-headings. What do you think? This allows the reader to select which person they want to look at, but it does not follow the format we have established for biography pages.
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 23:11, 31 March 2010 (CST)
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I just added a [[Blank Periodical]] template, following the style of the [[Blank Biography]] template you put up, if you would like to take a look. I also edited all the periodical articles so that they conform to that style.
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I have created the template Temple_infobox, and have used it for four pages (See "Recent changes"). If you could take a look at it when you get a chance, I would appreciate your feedback.
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Also, in light of your posting of a PDF (which I think is a good idea), I am taking notes on copyright law on my user page.
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 04:57, 3 June 2010 (CST)
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 23:16, 29 May 2009 (CST)
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In response to your query about our timetable: Yes, I think the 15th of June would be a fine time to begin a complete edit.
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After talking to you, I created the page [[Welch Project]]. Right now it just contains the list of chapters and headings as found in the book.
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 04:44, 29 May 2009 (CST)
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 20:10, 17 June 2010 (CST)
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Greg, I am going to starting writing messages at the TOP of your talk page, so you don't have to scroll all the way down.
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I think double-checking the articles we have before the one year anniversary is a good idea. I will take a look at all the pages for which I am listed as editor. I intend to finish my work on the grant by next Friday (before the one year anniversary). I have currently done 33.5 hours of 54 (around 62%). It looks like most of the most important geographic and temple articles have now been done and I am shifting back to biographies. Today I am going to start doing pages on a few Japanese missionaries and scholars active in China (Mizuno, Tokiwa, Ogurisu, etc.). I am hoping to finally do pages for Liang Qichao and Yinshun this week, too.
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The Nanjing page seems like a fine idea. I am not sure how useful it will be, but time will tell. More important, of course, will be pages for specific temples, presses, and schools, for all of which we can add links to maps.
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If you see anything you think we still really need, let me know and I will get to it.
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I have found a problem with the search engine. Not all words come up and the problem seems to be more recently-added content. For example, after inputting the page on K. L. Reichelt [[艾香德]], I ran a search for "Reichelt" and that page did not come up. Only the mention of his name under the World Buddhist Federation page [[世界佛教聯合會]] appeared. The same things happened after I tried searching "Invasion" and "大鬧金山" after putting in the [[大鬧金山]] page. Is it possible that the engine does not update its index automatically? I have tried searching for more recently added pages, and they don't see to come up, either in Chinese or English.
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It looks like you are doing well on the periodical stuff. That's a good sign for your own work. Good luck.
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 04:39, 29 May 2009 (CST)
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 00:02, 14 July 2010 (CST)
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== Searching without pinyin ==
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I still think a clickable map is a good idea, but the one we have right now is a little too small to allow differentiation of places that are close together. If the map was larger I think we should still use it.
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I think I understand what you are saying about an intro line with the subject in bold. Had we agreed to do this for all types of articles (such as institution)? I can't recall. I know we wanted to do it with geo, bio, and temple articles. [[Blank_Institution]] and [[Blank_Periodical]] have not been edited to reflect this, nor has the latter been edited to include an infobox. I will do that now.
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Is there any way that we can set up the search engine to ignore tone markings? I ask because once we have non-Chinese speakers (of those without pinyin input capability on the computers they are using, a problem I have today), it makes it difficult to find things.
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I have two questions for you: 1) How do you set up an automatic redirect? 2) How do you get the computer to automatically put in your name+time (as you did on my Talk page)?
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On a somewhat related note, I think it would be better if we leave disambiguation information for all articles at the top of the page (as in [[Foxue yuekan 佛學月刊]]), and not in any infoboxes (as you have done for [[Fojiao yuekan 佛教月刊]]). This is information that the reader should see first thing before proceeding into the article. I think placing it at the top would expedite this.
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 01:37, 20 July 2010 (CST)
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I was also thinking 100 myself. I am rapidly approaching the end of what I have ready in files, but I feel there are about a dozen people we should include before we go public, such as Yuanying, Jiang Weiqiao, Cihang perhaps, and, of course, Jichan the Eight-fingered Ascetic. Perhaps I can work on brief sketches of them this weekend.
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Greg, I am mostly fine with having people get approval to join. I say "mostly" for three reasons: First, we may not want to put any barrier up to having people join. Including us, I think we have about 2.5 active registered users currently and we shouldn't do anything that might discourage participation. Second, the system you propose would require us to list our e-mail addresses here, which would probably increase the amount of spam that we each receive (unless we put our addresses up as JPEG files, or use some other such measure). Lastly, the amount of spam accounts we have received has not seemed onerously large to me. This of course may change.
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A constitution of sorts would not be out of the question. I like what you have done with the Creative License. I will look at statements on other sites (such as Wikipedia) and see what looks good. Feel free to do the same.
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These are my thoughts for now. If you really want to change how registration works, I will go along with it, but I tend to think it is unnecessary right now.
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 23:19, 21 May 2009 (CST)
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 01:47, 5 November 2010 (CST)
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== Standardize First/Subsequent References ==
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I agree with what you propose (using pinyin only for subsequent citations of a term, name, etc. in Chinese).
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I found another issue with the ''pinyin'' Romanizer = Initial En takes no tone mark. This may be a problem with many of the initial vowels.
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The one thing I do not agree on is why if the term is part of the article title we do not use bold through the hole line. You suggest leaving the title not bold. It seems that placing the article title in bold is an issue of formatting, akin to placing something in quotation marks. One does not place only part of a term in quotation marks, but the entire string. For example:
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* "''Hǎicháo yīn'' 海潮音 (Sound of the Sea-Tide)"
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 20:39, 22 May 2009 (CST)
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* NOT "''Hǎicháo yīn'' 海潮音" (Sound of the Sea-Tide)
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Do you see what I mean?
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I see what you mean about using half bold, half not bold for main entries, but it seems an unnecessarily complex formatting request. Also, aren't we placing the item in bold font because it is the main entry?
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The pinyin window looks great and works like a charm. Do you think we should add Sanskrit diacritics?
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 00:16, 26 January 2011 (CST)
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I think the index page is OK, but is not really necessary. I say this because once we pass a certain number of pages, it will become much more expedient to do a simple search.
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I have Yú's 現代佛教人物辭典 here and there is a good entry on 會覺, 2:1308a-1309a (followed immediately by 楊仁山!) I will input that page this weekend. I am also going to put up a list on my page of 'Must have' entries to work on before we go live.
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 22:24, 23 May 2009 (CST)
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Greg, the statement looks good. I cannot think of anything to add right now, though if I think of anything later, I will let you know.
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 10:33, 25 May 2009 (CST)
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I'll give the new search engine a shot. It seems a shame if we can only get pinyin '''OR''' 漢字.
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The only two entries I think we really need right now are [[王一亭]] and [[內學]]. Anything else can wait. I am pretty burned out on this thing right now, but I think we have enough for a launch. I'll wait to hear what you think about these entries and then we can each do a complete editing sweep through the site.
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Oh, and one more thing. Putting the title of a page in bold has no effect as ( == string == ) already does this:
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 08:42, 26 May 2009 (CST)
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That's good advice. Thank you. As long as we are taking our time, there are probably a few other entries that I could think we might need. I will update the list I have on my own page to reflect this.
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--[[User:Erik hammerstrom|Erik hammerstrom]] 07:32, 27 May 2009 (CST)
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Current revision as of 00:16, 26 January 2011

Message Board

I have several questions about the choice of page titles.

1) What are your thoughts on romanizations for non-Chinese persons in their file names? E.g. Cressy, Reichelt, Richard. Should we use their English names followed by the 漢字 as the page titles? Also, what about institutions?

2) For some pages (such as 妙善), there are multiple entries, which I have separated into sub-headings. What do you think? This allows the reader to select which person they want to look at, but it does not follow the format we have established for biography pages. --Erik hammerstrom 23:11, 31 March 2010 (CST)

I have created the template Temple_infobox, and have used it for four pages (See "Recent changes"). If you could take a look at it when you get a chance, I would appreciate your feedback.

--Erik hammerstrom 04:57, 3 June 2010 (CST)

After talking to you, I created the page Welch Project. Right now it just contains the list of chapters and headings as found in the book.

--Erik hammerstrom 20:10, 17 June 2010 (CST)

I think double-checking the articles we have before the one year anniversary is a good idea. I will take a look at all the pages for which I am listed as editor. I intend to finish my work on the grant by next Friday (before the one year anniversary). I have currently done 33.5 hours of 54 (around 62%). It looks like most of the most important geographic and temple articles have now been done and I am shifting back to biographies. Today I am going to start doing pages on a few Japanese missionaries and scholars active in China (Mizuno, Tokiwa, Ogurisu, etc.). I am hoping to finally do pages for Liang Qichao and Yinshun this week, too.

If you see anything you think we still really need, let me know and I will get to it.

It looks like you are doing well on the periodical stuff. That's a good sign for your own work. Good luck.

--Erik hammerstrom 00:02, 14 July 2010 (CST)

I still think a clickable map is a good idea, but the one we have right now is a little too small to allow differentiation of places that are close together. If the map was larger I think we should still use it.

I think I understand what you are saying about an intro line with the subject in bold. Had we agreed to do this for all types of articles (such as institution)? I can't recall. I know we wanted to do it with geo, bio, and temple articles. Blank_Institution and Blank_Periodical have not been edited to reflect this, nor has the latter been edited to include an infobox. I will do that now.

On a somewhat related note, I think it would be better if we leave disambiguation information for all articles at the top of the page (as in Foxue yuekan 佛學月刊), and not in any infoboxes (as you have done for Fojiao yuekan 佛教月刊). This is information that the reader should see first thing before proceeding into the article. I think placing it at the top would expedite this.

--Erik hammerstrom 01:37, 20 July 2010 (CST)

Greg, I am mostly fine with having people get approval to join. I say "mostly" for three reasons: First, we may not want to put any barrier up to having people join. Including us, I think we have about 2.5 active registered users currently and we shouldn't do anything that might discourage participation. Second, the system you propose would require us to list our e-mail addresses here, which would probably increase the amount of spam that we each receive (unless we put our addresses up as JPEG files, or use some other such measure). Lastly, the amount of spam accounts we have received has not seemed onerously large to me. This of course may change.

These are my thoughts for now. If you really want to change how registration works, I will go along with it, but I tend to think it is unnecessary right now.

--Erik hammerstrom 01:47, 5 November 2010 (CST)

Standardize First/Subsequent References

I agree with what you propose (using pinyin only for subsequent citations of a term, name, etc. in Chinese).

The one thing I do not agree on is why if the term is part of the article title we do not use bold through the hole line. You suggest leaving the title not bold. It seems that placing the article title in bold is an issue of formatting, akin to placing something in quotation marks. One does not place only part of a term in quotation marks, but the entire string. For example:

  • "Hǎicháo yīn 海潮音 (Sound of the Sea-Tide)"
  • NOT "Hǎicháo yīn 海潮音" (Sound of the Sea-Tide)

Do you see what I mean?

I see what you mean about using half bold, half not bold for main entries, but it seems an unnecessarily complex formatting request. Also, aren't we placing the item in bold font because it is the main entry?

--Erik hammerstrom 00:16, 26 January 2011 (CST)

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