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Amazing work on the periodical articles edit statuses. I just wanted to note that I used the DMCB as a real resource for the first time just now, looking up Yuanying and getting the link to some texts of his online, finally tracking down a preface to one of his works that I needed to read. Hurray for scholarship!

--Greg 04:11, 13 June 2009 (CST)



  • re: 講寺 "Lecture Temple" makes sense
  • I made a new Periodical Article Guidelines page, incorporating your draft criteria. If there's anything you think should be included, please add it, otherwise let's go forward with editing the periodical pages based on this. I have access to the MFQ and MFQB now, so I can start grabbing scanned title pages.
  • Good work noting the limitations of the pinyin converter. Did the developer ever get back to you? If there are any other special characters that should be added to the edit box, let me know. It can get very comprehensive if we need it to be.

On a (mostly) unrelated note, do you know where the term 佛學 in it modern use came from? It seems to have started appearing in publication titles around 1919. It appears sometimes in Japanese as 仏学 but only rarely, it's usually 仏教.

--Greg 22:05, 12 June 2009 (CST)


  • Re: editing date; Ah - my mistake. I think I thought it was the 10th because that's when I got back. Don't stop working on new articles you think are important, I just think we should start focusing on editing.
  • "Ancient Temple" - I agree
  • Also agreed on C-O and Dha.
  • Maybe we can make the description of the editing status general enough to cover all types of articles. I mean, there's a limited amount of information we can gather on the peridodical entries, so for them an A status might mean a paragraph and the basic info as outlined in the template, whereas a biography might require more to qualify. It all depends on context. The status grades are more for the editors to help them keep track of which articles are in most need of attention.

I do think, however, that we should try to write up some guidelines for each type of article, beyond the sample templates. We could outline what generally qualifies as an A/B/C/start article on those pages as well.

--Greg 04:52, 12 June 2009 (CST)



Success! And my first template! Add

{{EditStatus|status=X}}

to the discussion page of an article, and it will automatically add a box that notes the edit status, as well as add it to an appropriate category. We'll keep this on the discussion page rather than in the article itself cause it represents meta information rather than content.

As we add this to articles, we'll have a better idea of which need more attention than others. I'll make up an Edit Status page to clarify this to contributors.

--Greg 02:51, 12 June 2009 (CST)

Editing

  • Do not capitalize Fó in pīnyīn
    • Is this standard?
      • I have been looking around, I believe that we actually should capitalize it, if it is a proper noun. (Which I believe it to be). See this article. According to this, we should also separate the syllables of place and temple names (e.g. Kāi fú Temple 開福寺). There is, of course, much misinformation regarding pinyin, and if we chose not to follow the latter rule, I think we'd be OK.
        • I don't mind capitalizing Fó in pinyin, but separating the syllables of place and temple names doesn't look natural. Běi jīng? There is an issue with 古寺 though - should it be translated as XXgǔ Temple, XX gǔ Temple, or XX Ancient Temple? This might be a good question for H-Buddhism.
  • Standardize English for 唯識
    • And 法相, and 唯識法相 for that matter. The DDB might have standard suggestions, or we could throw it to H-Buddhism
      • I follow Lusthaus in translating 唯識 as "Consciousness-Only." Perhaps we should call 法相 dharmalakṣaṇa. I know yogācāra is popular, but it translates a less-commonly used word. Given the distinction that some (such as Ōuyáng) wanted to draw between 唯識 and 法相, we should perhaps respect that difference. By the same token, the majority of people who studied it and wrote about it, did not distinguish between the two. I vote we use "C-O" as the default, as it was the most common generic term. In cases where 法相 is called for, we use dharmalakṣaṇa.
        • Yogācāra is also a bit of a misnomer, considering how different the Chinese schools were from the Indian precedents. Consicousness-only sounds like a good standard for 唯識, but when we get to 法相唯識, or 唯識法相 how do we render them? Consciousness-only-dharmalakṣaṇa and vice-versa? We could just use the pinyin renderings of Weishi and Faxiang, much as is done with Huayan.


  • Hyperlink ALL names?
    • We can, but we'll have to make pages for them all.
      • We can get them as time goes on, better to have them linked right off the bat than have a page for someone but not have them linked.
        • This would imply that we expect one day to have a page on every name mentioned, but there are some figures about whom not enough is known to have a full bio page on them.

So we've past June 10th, I guess we're in the editing phase. It sounds like some people that Marcus has talked to are eager to contribute to the project, so we should try to get everything ready for a public announcement if we can.

I was thinking of a system for checking the edit status of pages, something simple like A for well-edited pages, B for those needing some work, and C for pages that need a lot of work. This would help us keep track of which pages need attention. So there would be a line at the bottom of every page like

Editing Status: C

to remind us of where we think the page is at. There ought to be a system for keeping track of this, collecting lists of "C" pages for example. I'll look into it, maybe there's an extension we can use. In any case let's try to follow the guidelines we've set out and get most of the extant pages into a decent state. They don't have to be close to "finished" but should at least provide a good chunk of information at this early stage.

--Greg 02:04, 12 June 2009 (CST)

Some comments on your editing notes:

Issues to watch during the edit:

  • Add a Date Ordained line to bios?
    • Excellent idea, though we should distinguish between different types/levels of ordination. Could also note date of refuge ceremonies for laypeople
  • Do not capitalize Fó in pīnyīn
    • Is this standard?
  • Standardize English for 唯識
    • And 法相, and 唯識法相 for that matter. The DDB might have standard suggestions, or we could throw it to H-Buddhism
  • Standardize place and organization names
    • But we can also note alternate names on their page
  • Decide which place names to hyperlink
    • I think provinces and major cities should have their own pages. If there's a smaller city (like Zhènjiāng 鎮江) that's important in the context they can have pages too.
  • Hyperlink ALL names?
    • We can, but we'll have to make pages for them all.

New Stuff

  • I don't think we should link years after 1950, since that's outside of our scope

--Greg 22:41, 6 June 2009 (CST)



No problem, these were my first periodical entries so I'm still getting the hang of them. As I do research for the JCR submission I'll try to grab scans of the periodicals. I usually photocopy the first page anyway to grab the publication info.

--Greg 23:20, 2 June 2009 (CST)



It would be a lot of work, and thus probably a long-term project, but what do you think about having a scanned image of a title page for each periodical? I probably have 6 or 7 just from scanning or photocopying articles recently.

No word from Simon yet on the search index. I'm working on a new draft front page for the site, it's on my user page if you want to add to it.

--Greg 02:37, 31 May 2009 (CST)



Excellent idea re: putting messages at the top. Don't worry about the search results: the index only updates once an hour. If it continues not to display results for more than an hour after the creation of the page, then we'll have to look into it.

I think the Nanjing-style pages could be a useful portal to looking at different sites and institutions in a given city or area. We'll see. Nothing lost if we discontinue them. Pages on temples that were important during the period are crucial though.

I just added a PDF scan of the intro to a book by Ouyang Jian. We can upload PDF materials and link to them from articles now. We'll just have to ensure that they're out of copyright.

June 15th it is then. I have a big list of biographical articles on my user page, feel free to grab one and write it up if you feel inclined.

--Greg 05:57, 29 May 2009 (CST)

PS - yes, there's a problem with the search index. It's possible that it has stopped being updated. I'll have Simon check it out.

--Greg 05:59, 29 May 2009 (CST)

Re: search engine ignoring pinyin tone marks: I'll check it out today.

--Greg 01:08, 21 May 2009 (CST)


I think the Lucene [1] search engine is what we need. From the README:

"articles are parsed for basic wiki syntax and are stripped of accents" [2]

I'll contact Simon and see if he can get this installed for us.

--Greg 01:26, 21 May 2009 (CST)


For the redirect, the syntax is 
#REDIRECT[[page]]
where "page" is the name of the target of the redirect. I think it has to be on the first line, any other content will be ignored. To sign a page, just enter two dashes and four tildes 
--~~~~
or click the second button from the right about the editing window.

--Greg 04:51, 21 May 2009 (CST)


Check out my user page for an example of a comprehensive page index. The lists are supposed to be collapsible but that's not working yet. I contacted Simon re: search engine. Great work btw.

PS: When do you want to pause on adding new pages and do a comprehensive edit before making a public announcement about the site? I think a threshold of 100 content pages is a good spot to look back. Also, before we open up for new users we should put together a constitution of sorts to guide future questions and disputes.

--Greg 23:14, 21 May 2009 (CST)



Simon's going to check out the search engine. It's not perfect but it should be better than the default. By the way there's another problem with the pinyin converter; it can't seem to convert a u with an umlaut over it.

--Greg 23:03, 22 May 2009 (CST)

I added a box under the edit box to add pinyin vowels with tone marks. Let me know if you spot any errors. I can put just about anything in that box, if you think there are other special characters that should be included, let me know.

--Greg 05:18, 23 May 2009 (CST)

I added an Article Index that collects all articles that have been categorized into our six main categories. I'm trying to figure out how best to format the main page of the site. Any ideas? I tried to find info on 會覺 but can't find anything substantial on him.

Also, Dharma Drum has an online spreadsheet with info on the MFQ and MFQB, listing the contents of each volume in some detail. Should I find out about incorporating that data into the wiki?


Contents

Policy Statement

Ok, I drafted up a policy statement, it's on my user page. Could you look it over?

--Greg 23:22, 23 May 2009 (CST)

Search

Simon installed the Lucene extension, the search engine works a bit better now. It will return the right sort of results for pinyin terms without tone marks. It has some trouble searching within long strings of Chinese, however. I might set up a custom Google search as an option in the meantime.

Do you want to put together a list of articles that should be drafted before we do our first editing sweep?

--Greg 08:27, 26 May 2009 (CST)

Editing

Don't get burnt out! We've got tons of time. Put it aside for a bit, there's no rush. If we get the editing done by the end of the summer that would be great.

--Greg 09:03, 26 May 2009 (CST)

Sounds great! For my own part, I just added a line of Sanskrit diacritics to the special character input table. I'll work on some of the other style and design stuff around the site, maybe put up some more articles if I think of anything that should be included. If we started editing around June 15th would that be too early? I'd be back in the city then after visiting the farm.

--Greg 22:58, 27 May 2009 (CST)

Geographical Entries

I tried making a page for 南京 as a geographical entry. What do you think? Could be useful especially if we can make a custom map for places mentioned in the articles.

--Greg 08:58, 28 May 2009 (CST) x

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